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Fitz Rinley · May 19, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by holababe

Yeah LA dist1 isn't the best place to sell stuff. Great place to buy stuff.

I find that LA dist2-4 or Droks dist1-2 or Ascalon dist1 are the best places.

When I was playing regularly before the only things that sold were wood, iron, and occasionally dust. Everything else was a waste of time.

Bryant Again · May 19, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by w00t!

Yes, it would be nice to have an auction house. But we don't. Get over it.

I honestly hope that that wasn't directed towards me, because my 2nd to last sentance said that I don't mind.

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I've had good success with Guru Auctions, primarily due to the fact that I always list my items with starting bids less than anyone else selling the same / similar item. Then people will actually bid on the item, and I often get more than what others ask. Odd how that psychology works.

Yes. The Guru auction system is awesome. No where did I say it wasn't. That's not my point, though. My point is that a lot of people just don't know about it or the Guru.

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If you wonder why Guru Auctions doesn't work well for some, then look no further than the inflated starting prices that most ask. I just checked the home page and found: +44 shield handle for 2k, 250 Champaign Poppers for 50k, and a Vampiric Oni Blade 15% enchanted for 90k. Gee, I wonder why people don't buy this wonderful stuff.

Overpricing of items is a different problem altogether.

byteme! · May 19, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Just lower your prices and you'll be amazed at the interest, don't blame the trade system.

This is the only logical thing in this entire thread that makes any sense. All them greedy bastids trying to squeeze out every last penny will obviously have a longer/harder time selling things. Time is money. Can you imagine how much more gold/rares you can find in all the time people waste spamming WTS in-game? Even if you offer 5k less then what they ask for they'd rather sit there and spam WTS for hours and hours. Blows my mind.

KANE OG · May 20, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by byteme!

This is the only logical thing in this entire thread that makes any sense. All them greedy bastids trying to squeeze out every last penny will obviously have a longer/harder time selling things. Time is money. Can you imagine how much more gold/rares you can find in all the time people waste spamming WTS in-game? Even if you offer 5k less then what they ask for they'd rather sit there and spam WTS for hours and hours. Blows my mind.

There is no greedy bastard here. I've lowered my prices to abismal rates (I'm not going to tell you what they are since you seem to be a total jerkoff), and trying to sell is still a pain in the butt.

You simply cannot cut thru the spam, even in the trade channel.

Thanks to all for the suggestions, but I kind of figured the flame fests would start... and of course, I would respond accordingly and make it worse.

I vented. We've got three pages of posts. The devs will see it on the front page and ignore it.

My job here is done.

KANE

Skyy High · May 20, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Stop trying to sell every bloody req9 gold for over 20k, and the "rare" skins for 60-100k. They're not worth that much anymore, and they will not be bought for those prices anymore. Guru is woefully optimistic on pricing; they post the prices you will sell at if you stand there for a long time spamming, and you find that guy looking to buy what you're selling. Much easier and faster is to advertise for cheap and pick up the browser who doesn't know what he wants and is just looking for good deals.

The only things really worth more than 100k anymore are req7 and 8 perfect Tyrian/Canthan weps, HoH drops, and the rarest minipets. Everything else will either not be sold, or bought by someone with too much gold and not enough brains.

manitoba1073 · May 20, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Stop trying to sell every bloody req9 gold for over 20k, and the "rare" skins for 60-100k. They're not worth that much anymore, and they will not be bought for those prices anymore. Guru is woefully optimistic on pricing; they post the prices you will sell at if you stand there for a long time spamming, and you find that guy looking to buy what you're selling. Much easier and faster is to advertise for cheap and pick up the browser who doesn't know what he wants and is just looking for good deals.

The only things really worth more than 100k anymore are req7 and 8 perfect Tyrian/Canthan weps, HoH drops, and the rarest minipets. Everything else will either not be sold, or bought by someone with too much gold and not enough brains.

ok then the next req 9 elemental sword you get ill give you 10k since you seem to think 20k is overpriced.

Clone · May 20, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent.

The straw man here is the argument that people who would like to see some trade improvements are perpetually complaining about the game.

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Originally Posted by gene terrodon

YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF UNGRATEFUL CRYBABIES

Hey Gene, I love the hero system. The nightfall missions were great. The masters bonuses that were goal driven were much better, in my opinion, than the timed missions of Factions. Nightfall armor looks great. I enjoy playing with my Dervish. The graphics are wonderful. None of that changes the fact that the trade system has been a disappointment to many since day one. Gene, please, try to discuss this in a more civilized manner. Can we discuss this from the standpoint of ease of implementation for the devs, percentages of the game's playerbase that would support such changes, and possible revenue for Anet? We don't need the namecalling.

Frankly, I don't see any real reasons a decent auction house shouldn't be in the game from the perspective of players that are for or against it. I can point to requests for it as far back as the opening weeks of prophecies. And the opponents are, as in this thread, usually people trying to attack others, and not willing to discuss the merrits of the system.

Next, there's the technical aspects. For that, we've seen that a third party site such as this one can run a very successful site. But, as good as it is, it can be somewhat of a hassle simply because it isn't directly integrated with the guild wars client. It isn't handy to go take screenshots of all your items then upload them when you want to make a sale.

The only thing I think that would be keeping this option out is concerns of bandwith or storage space that such a system would bring. If it were easily accessable in game, I'm sure it would be much more heavily utilized than the auctions here on guru. But, as to how much, I'm not sure. I would love to hear a serious discussion of any technical roadblocks for such a feature, or even a simple discussion of why you haven't made this a priority...

pamelf · May 20, 2007, 12:10 PM // 12:10

I like the new trade implementation they did with the party search. It's made it much easier for me. The fact is, you just need to be selling things that people want to buy, and you have to have patience. You can easily sell things to a merchant if you can't be bothered waiting.

Try advertising in your parties as well. Just make a quick mention that you have x-amount of whatever in your inventory when you set out, and tell them to PM you if interested. That way you've said it once, you might get lucky, you might not, but it's a quick and easy, stress-free way to advertise your wares.

It's worked for me, and as long as you dont' spam it people don't seem to mind.

You just need to be creative in the way you sell, then it becomes easier.

Noz Crow · May 20, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

The real reason that no one is buying anything, wait for it. Is because the common casual players like myself have no gold. I even started farming Urgoz, which i hate farming, just to try and make ends meet. When i would really like to be leveling and playing my new mesmer and necro toons.

kazjun · May 21, 2007, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Yeah, it'd be nice to have an auction house. But some of the main problems are the sellers themselves.

First off, some of the stuff that people are trying to sell are just plain junk. Maybe the ones with inscriptions you can work with, but the old school stuff? Why even try selling that? Unless they're perfect, they're just a temp item. Unless you're going to sell them cheap, not many are going to pay top dollar for something that they're just going to throw away later. Especially since you can get greens cheap, with perfect enough stats for most players.

Second, there's some of the supposed top items. I still see plenty of people still trying to sell fellblades for 70-100k. Good for you. But who's going to buy? Fells have been around for ages, anyone who really wants one will have a couple of perfects already, and the ones who don't either don't know what one is or doesn't have the money for it. Same with a lot of the other top items. The ones who really want something, and are willing to pay top dollar for them, would have bought up already, almost as soon as they are found ingame. The rest either don't care, or are waiting for prices to go down. Expecting 100k+ from anything except some of the rarest minis or weapon skins (perfect mods or not) is just crazy. Or new items. You can still get the occasional buyer, but you'll be hanging onto items for months.

Fact is, most golds nowadays, are only good for wisdom titles. Nearly 95% of golds I find nowadays, I'll ID for my own title, then I'll salvage for mods and then sell to the merchant. And if they're likely to not have any useful mods, I'll just sell cheap for others wisdom titles. With the remaining 5% of golds I find, I can sell pretty easy since they're only the perfect stuff. I tend to only sell from 5-30k though, so they go pretty quick. Same with greens, sell at the lowest price range for the item rather than top dollar, and you'll sell faster than you can farm them. Sure, you may lose some money, but it's not like you make anything standing around for an hour going WTS...

IlikeGW · May 21, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by kazjun

Sure, you may lose some money, but it's not like you make anything standing around for an hour going WTS...

Right, but this is the essence of why the trade system is broken. It basically turns farmers into sweatshop workers who have to bust their butt doing hundreds of times the runs to make money, rather than give them any opportunity to sell their stuff at street value. Also it's darn boring. I like id'ing items. It's fun to see what it is, not to sell them off by the sackload to wisdom title seekers.

Ensign · May 21, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Human beings are very, very bad at adjusting to a deflating market.

Peace,
-CxE

mvrander · May 21, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

How many people are there on a typical WoW server? how many are there in the whole of guild wars? I'm fairly sure things could be unmanagable in a very short space of time if you tried to implement a game wide auction system in GW due to the one world structure.

The only parts of GW that are not instanced are whispers, guild chat and alliance chat. If you wanted to introduce a game wide auction house to all areas of the game the servers would probably die under the strain in seconds.

The only middle ground I can think of is to move the people wanting to buy and sell away from the people doing other things at the time. Maybe an Isle of trade or something like the great temple of balthazar but for trade, it would still be instanced but you could put NPCs in to add items to for other people to then view and offer on. Not a full blown game wide auction house but an attempt to improve things without haviing to completely restructure the way the game works.

Cass · May 21, 2007, 11:14 AM // 11:14

A trade town would be nice, but the method of advertising needs to be adjusted. Spamming chat is bad. It would need a cross-district trade search like party search now, but with PLENTY of room to advertise your wares/needs. 31 chars is so lol.

Fact is, trade fails. You can't reach your potential buyers nor sellers. Whenever I need something I need to search high and low for it (and invariably wade past 'Guru+a good deal more' price offers), and when I want to sell I can't find a buyer (yes, at less than Guru prices).

Guru trade forum fails too, regrettably. I recently wanted to obtain a high-end skin item and despite 'winning' an auction thread twice (out of like 4), the seller then simply refused to sell it in-game. What's the point in having a thread going for days on end and ogling it continuously then?

I guess the good thing about it is that as it is, loot retains some interest, as I think that an effective trade system would make 99% of stuff in GW suddenly very common and affordable, perhaps too much so.

SotiCoto · May 21, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by KANE OG

So we've got "Hard Mode" and we Farmers are supposed to have some "advantage" here due to the loot scaling fiasco.

So is everyone else, according to anet. (Weee! More rares to the public!! Hint: They're not rare anymore) Rares (?) drop more, we're encouraged to sell to other players...riiiigghhhtt.

Has anyone been able to cut through the spam in local or trade to actually sell any of these items that we're supposedly getting? Are we ever going to have ANY possibility of selling our items quickly and efficiently WITHOUT buying the next chapter, expansion, etc.?

Yes, this is an "auction house" type thread (in the long run). But Jesus, how do you people expect us to sell ANYTHING!?

KANE

So what... precisely.... did you want to buy with the money you made from selling farmed stuff?
I mean surely you actually wanted the money FOR something..... it might even be something that may well be more farmable now... Lyssa forbid!

Remember kiddies: Money is a means to an end: to buy stuff you want to have. Collecting money for its own sake is retarded.

unbound00 · May 21, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

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Originally Posted by Noz Crow

The real reason that no one is buying anything, wait for it. Is because the common casual players like myself have no gold. I even started farming Urgoz, which i hate farming, just to try and make ends meet. When i would really like to be leveling and playing my new mesmer and necro toons.

Fortunately for me that's true. I'm no hard core player, I'm something of a casual player with an interest on enhancing a bit on my 'prestigeness', and I have make good money (no real wealth but a lot compared to a few months back) by farming a couple bosses casually in HM. I get my money from scrolls for one part and greens for the most part. The greens I have little trouble selling for 3-5k, and I sell them to casual players most of the time, simply because I choose to advertise them on a townpost with a lot of players nearing end-game, that possibly have a couple plats and are willing to spend some on their first green item, and the key aspect of this is, in such town possibly everyone in the district will see the offer because the Trade chat is not overused and it differs a lot from the local chat which is not spammed with offers. My take on this is: it's easier to find buyers when people can actually see your wares. I'm not gonna give away my favorite selling spot, but I hinted at it, and further more, if I'm actually willing to spam the trade chat I've found more success in Drok's than LA or KC.

Mike_version2 · May 21, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

persistence and patience is key....for now

Nekretaal · May 21, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by KANE OG

(Weee! More rares to the public!! Hint: They're not rare anymore) Rares (?) drop more, we're encouraged to sell to other players...riiiigghhhtt.

Has anyone been able to cut through the spam in local or trade to actually sell any of these items that we're supposedly getting?

The market is a mess. There's the new reality of gold not dropping anymore, and there is also the reality of rich people with large amounts of pre-nerf gold still trading.

Look at the price of Superior Runes.

Today almost all Superior Runes sell for 25g.

Superior Soul Reaping (was 1k, is 25g), Superior Axe Mastery (was 1.5k, is 25g), Superior Expertise (was 100g is 25g). Superior Absorption (was 600g, is 200g) Superior Divine Favor (was 6k, is 300g) Superior Vigor (was 40k, is 14k).

Basically, all Superior Runes have fallen 60% to 90% in price now. This is entirely related to the new "gold drop/gold item drop" dynamic. I think that its fair to say that anything else affected by the loot scaling ought to also be worth 60% to 90% less.

Again, using the loot scaling example, this means that certain Runes (and by extension perfect golds) even though they are entirely useful and perfect (like the superior Axe mastery for example), are not sellable.

Applying a 60-90% price drop to items across the board... and that 5k green drop ought to be worth 500-2k in the new reality. At this point you wonder whether it is still profitable to try to sell the item.

KANE OG · May 21, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

So what... precisely.... did you want to buy with the money you made from selling farmed stuff?

Generally I like shiny, new, cool and DIFFERENT things. So I change things up once in a while, for myself and my girlfriend. This requires a cash flow.

Games are meant to be fun. I have fun helping her buy new expensive armor once a month, even if it's for a character she doesn't play very often.

I finally grab that sweet Zodiac Sword/Shield combo I've been looking for, and I buy a set of armor to match. Maybe that worthless minipet that no one wants will fill out my collection.

All of this requires funds, so I try and sell a few choice items now and then. That's all.

KANE

Sir Skullcrasher · May 21, 2007, 06:07 PM // 18:07

I knew some of my alliance members sell things for cheap or even merchant it or salvage it. They don't want to be bothered by going to spam-filled LA or Drok to do sales!